On this episode of Theology Gals, Coleen and Angela discuss Federal Vision with Dewey Roberts, author of Historic Christianity and the Federal Vision: A Theological Analysis and Practical Evaluation. On part one they talk about the history of Federal Vision and the views of justification and regeneration within Federal Vision.
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Just FYI on whether the PCA is a safe haven for Federal Vision:
In 2007 The PCA General Assembly ratified the following declarations from the Committee Report on Federal Vision:
IV. Declarations
In light of the controversy surrounding the N
PP and FV, and after many months of careful study, the committee unanimously makes the following declarations:
1. The view that rejects the bi-covenantal structure of Scripture as represented in the
Westminster Standards (i.e., views which do not merely take issue with the terminology, but the essence of the first/second covenant framework) is contrary to those Standards.
2. The view that an individual is “elect” by virtue of his membership in the visible church; and that this “election” includes justification, adoption and sanctification; but that this individual could lose his “election” if he forsakes the visible church, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
3. The view that Christ does not stand as a representative head whose perfect obedience
and satisfaction is imputed to individuals who believe in him is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
4. The view that strikes the language of “merit” from our theological vocabulary so that the claim is made that Christ’s merits are not imputed to his people is contrary to the
Westminster Standards.
5. The view that “union with Christ” renders imputation redundant because it subsumes all of Christ’s benefits (including justification) under this doctrinal heading is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
6. The view that water baptism effects a “covenantal union” with Christ through which each baptized person receives the saving benefits of Christ’s mediation, including regeneration, justification, and sanctification, thus creating a parallel soteriological system to the decretal system of the Westminster Standards, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
7. The view that one can be “united to Christ” and not receive all the benefits of Christ’s mediation, including perseverance, in that effectual union is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
8. The view that some can receive saving benefits of Christ’s mediation, such as regeneration and justification, and yet not persevere in those benefits is
contrary to the Westminster Standards.
9. The view that justification is in any way based on our works, or that the so-called “final verdict of justification” is based on anything other than the perfect obedience and satisfaction of Christ received through faith alone, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
Additionally, the case that Mr. Roberts mentioned was not so much about the PCA endorsing Federal Vision, rather, it was a failure of polity to uphold the denomination’s stated positions.
Who was exonerated in that case? Jeffrey Meyers.
Interestingly, the key proponent for Federal Vision who spoke out against the report and for Federal Vision, Mike Khandjian, is also now, today a key proponent for women’s ordination and Revoice. This is what he complained about the PCA’s position against the Federal Vision: “But my real concern is that we have a crop of fine, brilliant young ministers who are deeply committed to the gospel … [who are] discouraged because … they were not to be heard or trusted in this dialogue: They have little or no voice.”
Well, Mr. Khandjian and Mr. Jeffrey Myers are both in lock synch today when it comes to the things going on out in Missouri Presbytery – SJW, Women’s ordination, Federal Vision, and Gay Christianity in the PCA are getting a pass today — because of the weakness of polity from the SJC and from the presbyteries.
So, Today, the voice of these subversives has a big presence.
Just FYI on whether the PCA is a safe haven for Federal Vision:
In 2007 The PCA General Assembly ratified the following declarations from the Committee Report on Federal Vision:
IV. Declarations
In light of the controversy surrounding the N
PP and FV, and after many months of careful study, the committee unanimously makes the following declarations:
1. The view that rejects the bi-covenantal structure of Scripture as represented in the
Westminster Standards (i.e., views which do not merely take issue with the terminology, but the essence of the first/second covenant framework) is contrary to those Standards.
2. The view that an individual is “elect” by virtue of his membership in the visible church; and that this “election” includes justification, adoption and sanctification; but that this individual could lose his “election” if he forsakes the visible church, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
3. The view that Christ does not stand as a representative head whose perfect obedience
and satisfaction is imputed to individuals who believe in him is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
4. The view that strikes the language of “merit” from our theological vocabulary so that the claim is made that Christ’s merits are not imputed to his people is contrary to the
Westminster Standards.
5. The view that “union with Christ” renders imputation redundant because it subsumes all of Christ’s benefits (including justification) under this doctrinal heading is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
6. The view that water baptism effects a “covenantal union” with Christ through which each baptized person receives the saving benefits of Christ’s mediation, including regeneration, justification, and sanctification, thus creating a parallel soteriological system to the decretal system of the Westminster Standards, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
7. The view that one can be “united to Christ” and not receive all the benefits of Christ’s mediation, including perseverance, in that effectual union is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
8. The view that some can receive saving benefits of Christ’s mediation, such as regeneration and justification, and yet not persevere in those benefits is
contrary to the Westminster Standards.
9. The view that justification is in any way based on our works, or that the so-called “final verdict of justification” is based on anything other than the perfect obedience and satisfaction of Christ received through faith alone, is contrary to the Westminster Standards.
Additionally, the case that Mr. Roberts mentioned was not so much about the PCA endorsing Federal Vision, rather, it was a failure of polity to uphold the denomination’s stated positions.
Who was exonerated in that case? Jeffrey Meyers.
Interestingly, the key proponent for Federal Vision who spoke out against the report and for Federal Vision, Mike Khandjian, is also now, today a key proponent for women’s ordination and Revoice. This is what he complained about the PCA’s position against the Federal Vision: “But my real concern is that we have a crop of fine, brilliant young ministers who are deeply committed to the gospel … [who are] discouraged because … they were not to be heard or trusted in this dialogue: They have little or no voice.”
Well, Mr. Khandjian and Mr. Jeffrey Myers are both in lock synch today when it comes to the things going on out in Missouri Presbytery – SJW, Women’s ordination, Federal Vision, and Gay Christianity in the PCA are getting a pass today — because of the weakness of polity from the SJC and from the presbyteries.
So, Today, the voice of these subversives has a big presence.
This is the most dishonest treatment of FV I have ever heard.
This is the most dishonest treatment of FV I have ever heard.